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huntsman and bob schrum, thank you both. >> thank you both. >> coming up, can joe biden take down the nra? big news today on how the american people feel about the nra. it's starting to feel different this time. and paul ryan gets back to that budget on the hill. by signing onto a radical antiabortion person hood bill. he's right back to the extreme. the reporter who broke the story joins us. and the birther king is back in the news. but this time, role is reversed. why is he releasing his birth certificate. you're watching po ining "polit nation" only on the place for politics, msnbc. blaeng blank. >>> have you joined the "politics nation" confers on facebook yet? we hope you will. today, our fans were reacting to the new polls showing the nra's popularity has dropped off. carol says it's about time they were taken down a few notches. julian said the nra does not truly represent gun owners. a lot of his members support common sense solutions. coming up, we'll talk about whether the white house can convince nra to support some of those comments and solutions. but, first, we want to hear w
, the president's ally, helped the nra get it passed. no surprise that there's a big dose of politics involved here. jim acosta tonight is keeping 'em honest. >> when president obama signed national health care reform into law, few in washington knew that buried in the legislation's more than 900 pages was a gift to the nation's powerful gun lobby. but here it is. a provision entitled "protection of second amendment rights." it states the government and health insurers cannot collect any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition. the provision was such a secret, "the washington post" reports that some people in the white house didn't even know it existed, despite being in the president's signature legislation. joan alger did notice it. >> who put it in there? it might surprise you to learn it was this man, the most powerful democrat in congress, senate majority leader, harry reid. but why? a democratic source close to the passage of the health care law tells cnn, this is what was viewed as a relatively benign way to make sure the national rifle assoc
on the table. the vice president's task force gets down to business bringing in the nra for the meeting. >>> responding to the backlash. brent musburger's bosses apologizing for his on air comments about the football star's beauty queen girlfriend. >>> balloon ride from hell. a camera is rolling as a wedding party's sky high tour takes a terrifying turn. they crashed. on their wedding day. good morning, welcome to "early start." happy to have you with us. >> it is january 9th, 5:00 a.m. in the east. and at the white house today, the national rifle association face to face on guns and gun control. actually that's tomorrow.nra confirming it will meet with vice president and its gun violence project tomorrow. but they don't sound excited about it. putting out a statement that reads we're sending a rep to hear what they have to say. listen to the response from the president's spokesman. >> we look forward to hearing from a variety of organizations and civic groups and others who have insights into this problem. >> if you're here to listen to them, they're here to listen to you. >> tprocess
. and she called this, meaning armed guards at banks and restaurants, the nra's vision of the promised land. the nra never said anything like that. they have a very -- >> bob: yes, they did. >> andrea: no, they did not. they have a high approval rating. in our country we have armed guards. we have them at banks and certain areas of new york city. police on the street that are armed with guns. we are not some lawless third world country. it doesn't make sense. >> greg: what is wrong with a police state? i'd rather have a police state than criminal state. >> dana: no, you wouldn't. >> greg: yes, i would. >> dana: no. >> bob: you would be the first one picked up. >> dana: okay. i'll buy that. if i could comment on the media part of it and the reporting. i love the factbe part of it. >> gregpress secretary for repun administration when you deal with reporters that come up with in this kind of a storyline the only thing you can do is arm yourself with facts and repeat them over and over and over again. that's why the nra approval rating is higher than the liberals would like to see it at this po
association which has some gun control advocates wondering why since the nra has made it clear it has no interest in supporting legislation or executive action that might help keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. "the washington post" would argue that the administration needs the nra because of the power, at least the perceived power it still has over members of congress and ultimately it going to be a vote to turn a bill into law. this is a friends close enemies closer strategy. >>> while the white house and congress work to craft some sort of legislation on a national level, new york governor andrew cuomo wants his state to be the first to enact new gun laws in the wake of the shooting at newtown. today, he plans to propose a new restrictive assault weapons ban which would strengthen the state law already in place by covering more guns and magazines. new york one of seven states already has some sort of assault weapons ban in place. he's also looking at proposing expanding the use of mental health records and background checks and requiring recertification. we're back wit
the gun owners and the nra to come and make their case as well. >> walmart will, indeed, attend joe biden's task force meetings. >> the president and i are determined to take action. >> assault weapons are the drunk driving in a prohibition debate. >> the governor is prospected to propose a ban. >> i'm convinced we can affect the well being of millions of americans. >> there's more holes in these laws than a piece of swiss cheese. >> every once in awhile something wakens the conscience of a country. ♪ >>> with an end of month deadline fast approaching, this week could mark a pivotal moment in the effort to curb gun violence in america. today vice president joe biden began a series of meetings hosting victims, groups, and gun safety organizations at the white house. referring to the massacre of innocent children in newtown, connecticut, the vice president said this is now a moral issue. >> seeing those and learning of those young children not only being shot but riddled with bullets just -- it's a -- every once in awhile there's something that awakens the conscience of a the country. >>
to give up the two guns that we have locked in a safe at home. what we do want is what the majority of nra members and other americans want: responsible changes in our laws to require responsible gun ownership and reduce gun violence." taking the argument beyond gunowners versus nongunowner, taking the argument beyond absolutist gun anarchy versus a complete gun ban, this turn away from that kind of binary nonsense is the kind of turn in the conversation that typically signifies that there might be movement ahead, that people are getting real about maybe actually getting something done. at the same time on the same day, on the same anniversary, another overture today from roxanna green. the mother of 9-year-old christina taylor green who was killed in the tucson shooting two years ago. she appears in an ad that appeared in seven cities today including washington, d.c. and tucson. this ad is paid for by the mayors against illegal guns action fund. but the thing i find striking about it is that it is not just an issue ad to try to get people riled up or even to get people thinking about this
. this is the first time they publicly reached out to the nra. they will meet tomorrow, but don't expect wayne la pierre to be there. they are sending a representative in his place. biden will release a statement here with us for the first time in 2013, howard fineman, director of the "huffington post" media group. welcome back to the show. first of all -- we have got the news of the pending white house meeting with the nra with representatives and we don't know the details yet. am i right to be cynical that the white house has to look like they are reaching out and look like they are receptive to it and neither wants to be talking to the another. other. >> that will be about the most insigne seer hand shake. wayne la pierre won't be there. it's possible that they are out here and looking for someone right now. >> howard, i do know. it's going to be james l. baker who was a 30-year vet, former executive director of the nra. we do know. >> good. the symbolism is still such that there is no deal with the nra unless wayne la pierre is in the room and there is no deal regardless i don't think. even t
is coming straight from the nra play book which wayne lapierre actually called for in his address after sandy hook. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police in our schools to protect our children, then call me crazy. i'll tell you what the american people -- i think the american people think it's crazy not to do it. it's the one thing that would keep people safe. >> jennifer: actually looks like the american people do think he's crazy, or at least that his ideas are. there was a new ppp poll out there that finds that just 41% of the voters support the nra's proposal to arm teachers and it also found that the nra's support itself has eroded since lapierre's press conference. you might think that sounds pretty good, but that's down a full ten points since the week before his press conference. so maybe their struggle hold on our gun laws is loosening, and will continue to if leaders like dan malloy keep standing up to the gun lobby. >> freedom is not a handgun on the hip of every teacher and security should not mean a guard posted outside of every classroom. that
to try to prevent another massacre before the nra gets the floor. what we can expect in a live report this morning. >>> take me out to the hall of fame? today we'll learn the new baseball hall of fame class. should players tainted by the steroid era make it in? >>> the u.s. government spent more than $100 billion to save aig, poster child for the bad bailouts. why is the insurance giant saying it got a raw deal and considering suing the government. >>> and a great white shark threatening florida beaches. how scientists in utah sent a warning. >>> we'll speak with ron johnson, jen psaki, dan shaughnes shaughnessy, and jenn sterger. actress and model who had her own moment with brent musburger. and model cameron russell, who will tell us why she doesn't think girls should be models. "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. starting point this morning, the nra and the white house, 24 hours from a face-to-face gun control conversation. national rifle association confirming it will meet with vice president biden's gun violence panel tomorrow. they don't sown so thrilled a
violence victims groups. he will meet with the nra tomorrow in washington. peter doocy has more in washington. hi there, peter. >> good morning. in about 6 hours at 11 he will meet with gun violence safety. tomorrow he will meet with vice president biden and other leaders to try to come up with proposed changes to the way items are sold and the way guns are seen in movies and the bhan tally i mentally ill use guns. >> as the president said he doesn't want to prejudge any recommendations any stake holder might represent. he did in his meet the res interview respond to a question about the specific recommendation the nra had made and saying he was skeptical that putting more guns in school would solve this problem. >> republican lawmakers are likely to make dramatic changes to gun laws difficult. there are things said last night that could save lives future without prestricti -- restrictig g rights. >> one key measure we could adopt is to prevent the dangerously mentally il get firearms in the first place. that is where the key measures will come. >> democratic governor andrew cuo
. >> of course are the most high-stakes session is tomorrow's sitdown with members of the nra. nra going little reaction in the brief response to the invite. saying, quote, we got an invite late friday. we are sending a representative to hear what they have to say. with gun advocates floating gun restriction bans on high-capacity magazines what options are truly on the white house for americans as well as the american congress. >> incorporate 00 the challenge is to put something on the table that has some meat to it. as governor cuomo says there's more holes in these laws than a piece of swiss cheese. >> we've got a right to have rifles. we've got a right. but these assault weapons, we don't have that right. >> assault weapons are the drunk driving in a prohibition debate. >> right. >> that's the course here. nobody's talking about prohibition. >> joining me now is mayor villaraigosa of los angeles. mayor, it's good to have you on this morning. as we talk about this, we want to show everybody just a portion of proposals that could come out of the white house gun task force. there's the universa
the tragedy in tucson, gabrielle giffords is taking the nra head-on. and a powerful new ad calls for courage in congress. >> whose child has to die next? >> senator barbara boxer is here on the progress. >>> sheriff joe arpaio has a posse patrolling around arizona schools. tonight we'll try to find the truth about arming public school teachers. >>> congressman steve palazzo wanted aid when his district was ravaged by hurricane katrina, yet voted down sandy aid. he took a hypocritical tour of sandy damage today. >>> congress has hit a new low. >> say ah! >> ah. >> say ah! >> ah. >> even root canals are more popular. bob shrum and howard fineman are here to assess the damages. on the heels of the horrific massacre in newtown, connecticut, something needs to change. here is one reason why. two years ago today, a gunman opened fire in tucson, arizona, in a parking lot. he shot 19 people, including congresswoman gabrielle giffords. with a gun carries 33 rounds and a magazine of ammunition. six people died, including one child. the mother of that child now has a strong message for our elected lead
with the nra at tomorrow's meeting? >>> minutes from now, new york's governor andrew cuomo will announce a proposed ban on assault weapons. >>> and he's now a cover boy. new jersey's governor gracing "time" magazine. >> one thing i hope everyone in america now clearly understands, new jersey, both republicans and democrats, will never stand silent when our citizens are being short changed. >>> developing now in lower manhattan, piers are reopening after dozens are injured today when a ferry boat made a hard landing during the rush hour commute. >>> and back in the swing of things at the state department, but look how hillary clinton responds when asked if she's looking forward to retirement. >> i don't know if that's the word i would use, but certainly stepping off the very fast track for a little while. >> and what's missing from this picture? we'll discuss. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. from joe biden at the white house to chris christie in new jersey, andrew cuomo in albany, there's new energy for a comprehensive approach to gun violence control. chris cillizza, an
is going to sit down with the nra. the administration looks to move quickly, even if it means circumventing congress. >> the president is going to act. execbetive action can be taken. we haven't decided what yet but we are compiling it all with help from the attorney gen and the rest of the cabinet members. as well as legislative action, we believe is required. >> dana: so, bob, let me start with you. you have done legislative affairs for a white house. if you are trying to get a big piece of bipartisan legislation passed through congress do you think it's a good idea that you are planning to circumvent them in the end anyway? >> bob: i'm not sure it's the best strategy you can use. but look, some of this has to be done by executive order because you would never get it through congress. the other thing is the public division here. there are those of us who believe that these things, guns, a lot of guns, in my view all handguns ought to be eliminated. i understand majority of people don't belief that. >> dana: the white house says they don't believe that. >> bob: i know. they don't go far en
are compiling it all and all the rest of the members. prar. >> the nra is sending a lobbyist and the nations's largest retailer of guns admitted it is underestimating the expectation to attend the meeting. it did under estimated it and back tracked the decision to participate. peter alexander joins us from the white house. peter, has the white house elaborated on vice president joe biden's comment on executive action? >> it's a good question and i finished a conversation with the president of the brady campaign against gun violence. i said did you learn anything more about what the action could look like? what could it look like? the white house or at least the vice president with more than 20 people in the room did not list any specific actions that could take place. that's one thing we are all hanging on here at the white house. to find out not just what the president may propose in terms of comprehensive reform that would require and need to go through congress, but what he could do today in the absence of congress, we are waiting to find out what that might be. >> joining us now is a dem
. >> can it be done? >> john: meanwhile, vice president joe biden is meeting with groups including the nra this week as part of president obama's task force to find solutions to the epidemic. the nra said it's "sending a rep to see what they have to say." my, that's big of them. other gun fans are having their say on the internet. they're promoting gun appreciation day to be held on january 19th. gun activists are being urged to turn out at gun stores, ranges and gun shows from coast-to-coast. we'll have a commentary on that later in the show. and if talk show host alex jones is with them, let's hope someone brings his meds. last night jones had what is now an iconically famous screaming fit which was rudely interrupted by piers morgan trying to ask questions about gun control. here's part of what alex jones had to screech. >> 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. it doesn't matter how many you get out there on the street begging for them to have their guns taken. we will not relinquish them. do you understand? >> john: only too well, sir. you need help. i'm joined by n
, including nra members, including gun owners, reasonable people will agree that there are things we can do to minimize the risk here, to reduce the harm and the carnage, and we have to do them. >> i thought he did a good job. i think piers did an excellent job of restraint. i don't think i would have shown that kind of restraint. he made a couple points that are very important i thought, that in england they have 37 people killed by guns a year. we have over 11,000 killed. we have a real problem with guns. let me show a bit of that ad the governor mentioned you were in. here is part of the ad you made for the group mayors against illegal guns. let's listen. >> my 9-year-old daughter was murdered in the tucson shooting. i have one question for our political leaders. when will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? whose child has to die next? to every mother, we cannot wait. we have to demand a plan. >> how do you tell a gentleman in the united states senate or congress or a woman that you may lose your career over this issue? i know we had a great liberal senator from pennsylva
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'll meet with advocates for sportsmen and gun ownership groups. we're also told the nra will be a part of these meetings. more meetings are expected down the road with representatives from hollywood and game industry. "the washington post" reports the vice president's plan is designed to be big, comprehensive. new jersey's governor chris christie says that's the only way to get it passed. >> if it was comprehensive, if it was comprehensive, there's no doubt in my mind that we could come to an area of compromise. but it's got to be comprehensive. and if it isn't, then you're not -- you're going to have the same kind of good luck in washington you've had all along. >> biden is hashing out a plan on the national level, there's move on the state level, too. this afternoon, new york governor and drew cuomo will propose one of the country's strictest bans on assault weapons for this state. in connecticut governor dan malloy announced 16 councils looking at gun safety and gun violence prevention. leather bring in jackie kucinich and "washington post" journalist david millbane. >> good morning
. they heard a few speakers repeat the nra's call to have armed guards in all schools. >> those kids might have been alive if a few of the office personnel or some of the people had a concealed carry permit to protect our children. >> that idea did not go unchallenged. >> i know i will get booed, but when i listen to the leadership of the nra saying we need more guns in the schools, i could vomit. >> speakers called for better mental health programs and blamed a reliance on pharmaceuticals. >> seems like now society is throwing pills to these young men like tic-tacs. >> and media coverage of shootings took a hit. >> because of them it makes shooting up a school or library, post office, something glorified. >> congressman thompson will hold a similar forum tomorrow in vallejo and thursday in santa rosa. he will then take his ideas back to washington for possible legislation. live at napa city hall, abc7 news. >> thanks a lot. >>> more problems for the boeing 787 dreamliner. the plane was taxiing to the runway at boston's logan international airport today when a pilot in another plane noticed fue
loonetics. >> the problem is the spokespeople for that entire population, the nra and so on, they don't have that view. anytime somebody comes out with limits on guns, they are the ones that come out and act as a spokespeople for any gun rights enthusiast. >> if you do things like saying i want a national registry which is one of the suggestions. this is coming from people who don't think you need an id to vote and are against the national id for a driver's license. but they want a national registry. of course the nra is thinking now they have a list of everybody that has a gun and they will come around and get your gun one day. of course they r. if you suggest stuff like that, of course they hillary cyst it. if you say, hold up a picture of james holmes, the one with the orange hair. should this crazy person have a gun? no. holdup a picture of adam lamza. >> i think people are looking at that. any person who believes in the right to bear arms they are looking at the status quo of what those people believe. people have protested background checks, either legitimate across the board or at the
association. the nra has accepted a invitation to meet with the group this week. president obama asked the v.p. to come up with recommendations this month to try to prevent a repeat of the massacre in newtown, connecticut. gabriel giffords and her husband the astronaut mark kelly visited new town, now they are launching their own effort to reduce gun violence. two years to the day since a gunman shot her in the head and killed six people wounding a dozen others. trace gallagher in our west coast news hub this afternoon. they are putting a lot of pressure on congress, aren't they? >> the pressure in congress as well as the national rifle association, shep. the reason that gabriel giffords and mark kelly came up with that political action committee was to raise enough money so they could fight the gun lobby on capitol hill. in their op ed in "u.s.a. today" giffords and kelly right in part quoting here wise policy has conquered disease, protected from us dangerous products and substances and made transportation safer. but when it comes to protecting our communities from gun violence. we're not
shut downs and debt ceilings. vice president sebiden is meeti with the nra and senator feinstein wants to ban handguns the kudlow report begins right now. >> cnbc contributor jared bernstein. i can't think of a single reason why they have to put in such an unstring wi undistinguished person in such an important spot. >> i take issue with that. you have to take into consideration issues, but i will say when it comes to one of the most important jobs of the treasury secretary, which is managing the budget, you can't have a better guy than jack lu. you can talk a lot about it. >> that is where i disagree. this is not, hang on a second. i'm going to give jimmy a whack at this. this is not the director of the office of managing the budget. that is where i used to work. this is about financial matters. this is about guys who know what goes on at the world's financial capitol. this is about guys who used to look after the currency and about guys who are going to have to deal with republicans over the debt ceiling and according to every leader that i have talked to, he is poison to republicans
and mentally ill to get guns. >>reporter: nra would say to you they can get them illegally. >> i don't agree with that. gun lobby even opposes gun purchaser being checked against the terrorist watch list. doesn't that seem like a common sense thing to do. >>reporter: they made these arguments the only thing that stops bad guy is a good guy with a gun. somebody with a gun there in that parking lot with jerad loughner inter. >> there was. there was somebody with a gun other than the shooter. >>reporter: there was a man nearby with a gun in his pocket but almost accidentally shot the hero. >> nearly shot the man who took down jerrad by a good guy with a gun. >>reporter: two years after he opened fireworks it is still a kind of miracle that congresswoman giffords survive survived. bullet had torn a tunnel through her brain. >> yes that's it. that's a thumb. >>reporter: we saw her incredible spirit. her will and recovery moving so fast doctors were amazed at the pace. today she says she is still making gain but every one is hard fought. >> it has been a long two year years. >> oh. so s
, because of the power of the n.r.a., because of the strong national tradition in support of gun rights, scott. she believes the president and vice president will be fighting this legislative battle uphill. >> pelley: thank you, wyatt. the national rifle association says that laws restricting gun ownership are not the answer. the n.r.a. has proposed putting armed guards in schools.ls on thursday, vice president biden will meet with the n.r.a. biden has been asked by president obama to come up with new ideas to reduce gun violence. what happens when a president has to miss his own swearing-in ceremony? new problems have grounded two of boeing's new dream liner jets. and the search for a missing masterpiece comes to an end when the cbs evening news continues. continues.ut then i read an article about a study that looked at the long term health benefits of taking multivitamins. they used centrum silver for the study... so i guess my wife was right. [ male announcer ] centrum. always your most complete. hey america, even though they don't need one wes, clay, and demarcus tried on the dep
devoteed this week to hearing from all sides, including the n.r.a., tomorrow. >> we're here today to do with a problem that requires immediate action, urgent action, and the president and i are determined to take action. >> reporter: he met today with victims of gun violence and gun control advocates and said the political climate will never be the same after the newtown massacre. >> i've been doing this a long time. of all the tragic events we've endured, i don't think anything has touched the heart of the american people so profoundly as seeing those young children not only being shot but riddled with bullets. >> reporter: the white house is also looking at ways to encourage gun owners to use and store their firearms more safely. it is reviewing the effectiveness of gun buyback programs seeing if a federal buyback program might actually work. biden also said the president might side step congress and seek to advance his agenda through executive order. senior officials offered no details but, scott, they acknowledge there's very little the president can do to advance gun control withou
know i'm going to get booed but when i listen to the leadership of the nra saying we need more guns in the schools, i could vomit. >> those kids might have been alive if -- >> this meeting was in the city of vampa, california, wine country. many called for better access to mental health care as well. >>> as you saw the debate over gun violence reaches far and wide from town halls to the white house. vice president joe biden's gun violence task force meeting face-to-face this week with the national rifle association, the nra. vice president's team also going to sit down with top executives in the entertainment industry and the video game industry. retail giant walmart was also invited but walmart is not going to show up. in a statement walmart said "we were invited to attend the meeting on thursday, and we had scheduling conflicts. we're going to continue to stay engaged in this topic going forward." cnn reached out to walmart this morning, and it said, not attending the meeting "should not be interpreted as a slight or a diss." walmart would not confirm reports they're the largest r
invited the gun owners and nra and come and make their case as well before us. i want it clear to the american public that on behalf of the president we are reaching out to all parties on whatever side this debate be called if the president is going to act. >> has anybody noticed the vice president's audio is awful. he is determined to take action on the issue and is reportedly weighing a possible executive order to help prevent any more mass shootings. carl cameron has details on this. executive order? that means bypassing legislators what is happening here? >> we don't quite know yet. the vice president did not get specific about the executive order but that is an option the president has. this is a push by the president for really reinstating the ban on military assault weapons for new restrictions on high capacity magazines and loophole free background checks. they also want greater attention to mental illness and examination of the effects of violent entertainment on video games games. biden opened up with a reference to the newtown shootings. >> i don't think anything has
the n.r.a. >> we've little to do something to keep the guns from getting into the wrong hands. >> what we need is action. >> the president is absolutely committed to keeping his promise. we have to take action. >> it's time to say enough. >> cenk: all right, well a lot of us believe that it is time to say enough, and actually work towards reasonable gun control. now gabrielle giffords and her husband, mark kelly are talking about a group called americans for responsible solutions. >> how was newtown? >> brought back a lot of memories about what that was like for us some two years ago today. you hope that this kind of thing doesn't happen again. you know what? it does happen again. gabby and i are both gun owners. we are strong supporters of the second amendment but we've got to do something to keep the guns from getting into the wrong hands. >> when it can happen to children in a classroom it's time to say. >> enough. >> cenk: come on. that's got to be reasonable enough. well mayors against guns have a powerful ad out. the mother of advice tina taylor green, a 9-year-old murdered in th
, but instead with the nra and then the overture to walmart, which is the world's largest retailer, and by in accounts one of the largest sellers of guns and ammunition, this is warp speed in terms of movement. the nra said it was going to send someone to learn. >> reporter: a rep. >> and walmart said they were busy and they changed that. characterize what's going on. >> reporter: that's right. it's kind of interesting what happened with walmart. essentially, they had pointed out that they had already had a meeting at the white house with the vice president and his group this week. and i checked with the white house, and they confirmed that, in fact, they had a phone meeting with them. so some sort of a phone conference call. but no face-to-face meeting. and what walmart was explaining is that the point people that they have who would be attending a meeting like this were busy at a meeting in arkansas, and that's why they could not make it. but it was certainly a pr problem for them. a lot of raised eyebrows that they would not be sending one here. and then they did that reversial,
sometimes they insist the nra has squelched this evidence. we've invited the nra to come on the show and so far they've declined. but the invitation still stands and i would like them to come on and have this discussion. >>> meanwhile, disturbing testimony in a courtroom in colorado today. investigators say they found 76 shell casings at the movie theater where james holmes is accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 more this summer. one of the victims of that terrible attack was a.j. boik and his uncle, dave hoover, joins me again now. dave, thanks very much for coming back on. you were on the show last night, listening to alex jones as he ranted at me. what was your reaction to that as somebody who lost a loved one in the aurora massacre? >> initially, i was infuriated and disturbed by his reaction. what i would hope and pray for this man is that he never gets a phone call from his loved one at 3:00 in the morning, screaming that his daughter has been killed in a theater. i hope and pray. because this man is so far off the target on this issue that he would not be able to deal with t
congress is going to do. but it is an interesting moment that the nra is being brought to the table. that should be an encouraging sign that -- around that table there's going to be a nice balance of opinion. >> right. different voices. it's interesting, the nra claims $4.4 million was spent on congressional lobbying. the brady campaign spent $5,800. so there is a disparity in terms of the amount spent lobbying. but they all need to be around that table. there should be a happy medium. i think everyone agrees that the second amendment is there for a purpose, but let's reach a consensus on this. >> absolutely. there's no way you can have a healthy, balanced gun control debate without the nra at the table. they represent a significant part of the country. but that stat that mark kelly shared, 85% of kids killed in the world happen here in the u.s. killed by guns. i knew it was bad, but i didn't know it was that bad. >> staggering and sobering. >>> the suspected aurora theater gunman james holmes acted bizarrely in the moments after the shooting, according to detectives who questioned
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